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What is your #1 "red flag-turn off" when meeting women?
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livas
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For me its definitely disrespect
For example her constantly being on her smartphone or talking about her past or current relationships and flirting with other men in front of me.
The "Johnson" really cant stand that kind of shit and refuses to make love to that kind of woman.
Kyojiro Kagenuma :
@juicemoney
aw man, I was into J-Law and you ruined it. lol.
For me it's almost every time when a woman speaks her mind.
Octavian :
Shit, I have to choose one?!
Right now , the top two contenders both involve women enticing me into adultery. In front of their spouses. One in public. The prospect of being used as a fulcrum for her hypergamous instinct is a severe mood killer for me, among other considerations.
Other ones:
Drug use, legal and illegal.
Blatant disregard for human life. "whatever, I just need him for money/car/etc."
Blatant usery of males in her life..." OK Dad whatever, thanks for the money, bye"
Inability to cope with basic life tasks ..." you have to change the oil in the car?!"
fuck it, the whole concept of women as people is a turn off. If my mind were a government, I would have banned women long ago. Unfortunately my balls periodically take over my government by force. Its an ongoing political crisis for my 27 year old self.
EddieS :
There are several that share the top of the list for me. But the first is Valley speak. Much of the time just hearing them talk to someone else with Valley speak tells me I am not interested. If they Valley speak they are immersed in the culture I am not the slightest bit interested in. It's assured there will be a multitude of red flags to follow. So Valley speakers don't even get a start.
Cicero :
Tattoos and piercings, and swearing.
TheRecipe :
Self centeredness - always talking about her issues like they are the priority, while ignoring most of what I'm saying. A loud screechy voice is always a real turn off too. I try to get the hell away from these types of women ASAP!
livas :
Running "hot & cold" all the time.
"I really dont know what I want in life but I really like tying you to the bed"
10 min. later while texting her ex boyfriends...
"I think its time for you to leave I am expecting a call"
Brain damaging shit.
TheRecipe :
That flip flopping shit used to drive me nuts. In your case I think I would just get up and walk out without saying anything. She will be going crazy for your nuts in a few days at which point I'd tell her I found someone else.
jso :
their personalities.
fantasma :
For me, it is definitely aggressiveness in trying to 'size me up' as her next host to feed on. Questions like 'Why are you still single/a bachelor?' 'What do you do for a living?' 'Would you ever date a single mother?' and statements like 'you've /never/ been married??'
Red flag when they are mostly interested in getting commitment/financial needs met...
livas :
From reading the forums and watching yt im getting the impression that shit is really hitting the fan in the US in a extreme & dysfunctional way.
RedComma :
Easy.
Their facial expressions. If they radiate femininity, i'm gucci with asking for their phone numbers. Otherwise (which is 99% of the time), move on bitch.
Matt Foley :
Just one thing? Probably when they talk constantly about what an asshole their ex was. You know... when it's obvious they're still completely hung up on the guy even though he's a complete piece of shit loser (or maybe she's the piece of shit and is projecting onto him). Either way, it's a major red flag turn off.
A close second is when every story they tell is about how they were somehow victimized or taken advantage of by employers, parents, friends... whoever. At some point, wouldn't you start taking ownership of your own piss poor decisions?
Nevermind. I already know the answer to that
livas :
Yea but sometimes they forget to mention fucking their opressive employer to calm his oppressiveness.
One actually told me with a dead-cold emotionless expression on her face that once she (20) started sleeping with her boss (60) she got a new 600$ smartphone from him.
Try "getting it up" now pal good luck with that
Oh man they really are like a copy of a copy of a copy...
I can definitely relate to this one.
Really disgusting
Grenade001 :
#1 would be tattoos, piercings and generally trashy clothing. Seriously ladies, how difficult is it to wear a dress, heels and not cake yourself in make up?
#2 would be an irresistible urge on their part to fill every silence with topics that they find amusing. Also when they talk about how "great" they are and about how they could get so and so.
#3 would be when they come up to me. 99 times out of 100 they want something out of me, stuff for which I am not keen on giving away.
#4 would be when they complain about being broke (don't need to expand on this) and when someone criticises them on their lack of future time-orientation.
Ithit :
Barring physical traits I find unattractive, hypocrisy is my #1 red flag. It suggests a healthy hamster that greatly increases my risks in associating with such a girl.
Chef :
Excessive foul language
The just woke up hair look
Gym apparel or pajamas in public
McCracken :
The fact that she's a woman.
Axis :
What isn't?
The fact that she's a "modern woman" is enough for me to see her as a pump'n' dump at best. The "strong, emancipated transsexual man-woman" of this day and age is the ultimate red flag all by itself. Now that her feral programming and basic instincts are running loose and are completely of the chains, you have to keep seeing things in the right perspective and act accordingly.
Neo :
Swearing, tramp stamps and having absolutely nothing to say. Constant small talk about nothing, noise to fill a silence because they have zero personality and zero to talk about.
alcockell :
Was my generation (40something) the last one where women had any sense of accountability?
Mikediver :
I am about 60 and I thought it was was prior to my generation, so there is no telling how far back this goes. I do think that the 70s pretty much marked the start of the age of the feral woman in the US.
alcockell :
Ahh - so 80s in the UK would be about right, considering we run about 10 years behind you, except in terms of The Pill becoming legal over here first.
Tenbatsu :
Stupidity. Male or female, it's the most annoying thing in the world to me.
Guess I'm single for life. I think I'll manage.
Happy_Hour :
If I just met her and she asks me for anything other then sex at her place my alarms go off.
Coastal :
Campaign stories about how she totally scored a huge victory for Girrrrl Powah by telling some minimum wage shop assistant or waiter to go **** his ******** self, and how she was waiting for the meeting to start at work when some sexist **** said 'You're in Department F, same as Gary, right?' and she's, like, ***** off you freaky ******* weirdo and then she gets home and the landlord phones to say the power company will be coming round to service her boiler next Tuesday, and she's like 'Are you ****** joking, you ****** ****? **** off, you ***** piece of ****''.....
Repeat x 1000
jagrmeister :
Manly behavior. Hate it. I am fine with being a man. She should be fine with being a woman- and be really good at it. Not knowing how to cook, not knowing how to dress, talking at length about her career, talking about money/acquiring money/owning rental properties, etc. Male behavior patterns like chin up, staring off into the distance; male-like aggression like being dismissive, or angrily contradictory. I don't need or want a verbal sparring partner.
Much of the problem I believe is that women in their 20s and even 30s have unrealistic expectations. They can't or won't invest in their male SMV-equal....until it's too late. This more than anything causes a breakdown in the relationship dynamic. This is the outcome of an unchained Hamster. The Hamster doesn't listen to reason- it responds to ancient attraction/infatuation cues from the jungle, and fear (desperation from hitting the wall). Women say the Heart wants what it wants - I guess the heart really wants a CAT!
Axis :
Non-feminine behavior, unrealistic demands and through the roof entitlement. Pretty much sums it up indeed.
Ancient Sunlight :
A bad temperament. Constant anger, constant mood-swings, constant yelling and crying - so many women do it! Can't we just drop the drama?
Neo :
Above are a few common symptoms of post carousel trauma....
EternalBachelor :
1. With her child.
2. Fat / Over weight
3. Tattoos / Piercings
juicemoney :
A lot of good points in this thread. I don't have a single factor that outweighs the others but if I had to rank them...
Number one easily identifiable red flag is short hair or partially shaved hair.
I have noticed this one factor can help a dude avoid damaged goods. Through observation and experience I have noticed short hair would probably indicate several things:
- probably a social liberal (naive world view, refuses to even consider contradictory ideas, easily absorbs ideas superficially without critical thinking, believes in higher taxes and more government)
- feminist (self explanatory)
- not very feminine (probably swears, drinks excessively, rude)
- follows the heard (it doesn't look good, other chicks butcher their hair too)
- insecurity (goes with following the heard)
- mild narcissism/possible solipsism (at a minimum, pretty self absorbed if she believes that looks better)
- very high chance she is simply a bitch
Severe examples I could find (blonde shows the contrast better... I'm also slightly partial
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Finally a combined comparison!
EDIT: Return of Kings has a hilarious (and quite valid) editorial on the subject. ROK can be pretty hit or miss but this was a good one.
WheelBarrow :
#1 She has children
#2 She has tattoos and/or piercings in excess of one set of earrings.
#3 She immediately has a demand of chivalry while dismissing men in general
#4 She has no accountability (you have to check the oil?)
#5 She always expects your participation in her interests and outright dismisses yours
livas :
Introduction of the birth control pill in the United States in 1960 marked the beginning of female sexual freedom (which is good right!)
But once child support and alimony became a weapon to individuals who were starting to trick the other sex into paying it and the female became entitled to it because she had been placed on a pedestal, pandora's box was opened.
mooseman44 :
My turn-offs include:
Nose-studs and other piercings except on the ears (and except belly-button piercings
)
Heavy drinkers - ladettes
Lack of intelligence - including ones who think they're intelligent but aren't eg, makes loads of spelling mistakes.
Liberals/opinionated
Bossy
Feigning "offence" at my humour
Acting childishly
Has children (also ones who have children and talk about them all the time as if they're the only ones who've shat out a vagina turd)
In fact every woman thinks they're kids are geniuses. Gosh, women are so irritatingly stupid!
Bad breath
Laziness
Talking about which celebrities are "fit", "cute", "hot", "gorgeous" (the one I hate most) or other media buzzwords.
My major turn off though is being FAT. Yuck. Fat women with huge bellies, fat arses and double chins who think they're attractive by showing off humongous saggy tits in low cut tops.
There are loads of others too.
corvair61 :
Being late.
I had one cunt show up an hour late one time. I chewed her out and told her what a fuckup she was, then I calmed
down and we had a few drinks and she fucked me on the first date.
So now I know she is a whore that shows up late.
I thought I'd give her another poke and scheduled another meeting. Again late.
I told her to fuck off.
quasar :
You waited for an hour? Any man who waits for more than 15 minutes WITHOUT getting a text from her that she is late and will be there by x minutes has in my opinion little self-respect.
1) Fat
2) A leftist
3) Waiting to pounce on you
4) Who gets insulted when you don't back down
5) Can't talk about anything that needs some deeper thought
livas :
>
Originally Posted by corvair61
> Being late.
> ...she fucked me on the first date.
> I told her to fuck off.
You sir have been awarded the "Mr Boombastic" medal of honor.
>
Originally Posted by Ancient Sunlight
> Can't you be excited about something for once? Don't you have some passion, some interest in something? "No...
I like to call this type "The one who lost her soul"
Been there done that.
Disgusting & gut wrenching.
Ancient Sunlight :
I came up with another one, which I now realize had turned me off many a girl in my younger years: a lack of enthusiasm, a certain mundanity, a certain lifelessness. Women who are bored by most everything; who are incapable of showing generous enthusiasm; who lack zeal, energy, zest! Either they are searchers of only hedonistic pleasure, or they are pathologically melancholy - perhaps there are other causes. Can't you be excited about something for once? Don't you have some passion, some interest in something? "No, I just want to watch some TV," - sitcoms of course, - "I'm tired." They are always tired.
MacOisdealbh:
All women, regardless of age, are learning that they don't have to be accountable. When they choose to be irresponsible within a marriage the courts will make the man accountable for her irresponsibility.
livas :
Which in some way, once you start to realise that, becomes "the" ultimate turn off just thinking about it.
Macavity :
BEING FAT.
A girl being fat tells me she doesn't care about how she looks, how she eats, lacks discipline to hold a gym schedule, and doesn't care to be a girl.
>
Originally Posted by Chef
> Gym apparel... in public
This would be a TURN ON to me. I encourage girls to wear gym clothes most of the time, especially around the house, so they can always hop on the treadmill or do some exercise at the spur of the moment. Fit girls look hot in gym clothes (fit girls look hot in anything actually).
I'd prefer a DUMB GIRL who is not fat than a brilliant girl who is fat.
I'd prefer an ANNOYING PERSONALITY who is not fat than a pleasant girl who is fat.
I'd prefer a smoker with tattoos on a not fat chick before a smoke-free, non-tattoo girl who is fat.
I'd prefer a SLUT who is not fat over a VIRGIN who is fat.
Fat girls are the worst thing on Earth.
(Short hair would be my second.)
COSTPI :
I actually have the opposite preference. I prefer a girl who may be slightly overweight but can compensate for it with her brilliance. But even this girl is incredibly rare. Looks are nice in terms of sex, going out in public, and generating a higher status but it doesn't necessarily mean she cares about her health because there are plenty of skinny good looking unhealthy girls. Appearance in my opinion is a superficial and fleeting thing. She may be able to hold a gym schedule but some of the really good looking ones rely on the attribute of appearance almost completely. Esther Vilar said that a woman with an IQ of a chimpanzee can live well in this world because of her appearance. And I tend to agree with that. At least the less attractive but smart ones understand more about what it's like to be a man. They don't have what the pretty ones rely on so they must make due some other way. That or they bitch and complain about it and usually end up becoming feminists.
I have so many deal breakers so I don't know what my number 1 red flag would be. I guess if I would choose, my number 1 red flag would be either annoyance or stupidity. That is unless the girl is either really ugly or really fat. Then it may be appearance.
Devil :
I don't know how many of you have to deal with this kind of shit, but there is a high concentration of black women here where I live. So, in a word: ratchet. I can't stand a ratchet bitch and it goes right in hand with most of what a lot of you had to say.
- Aggressive (and not in the fun, sexual way)
- Foul mouth
- Irritating voice
- Inability to sympathize with anything or anyone
- Obvious gold digger mentality
- Several children, especially by different men
Demosthenes :
Just off the top of my head...
She smokes.
She wears too much makeup.
She apparently likes everything I like.
She asks what my income is.
She pretends that everything said by me or anyone else present is funny.
She's obviously been drinking too much.
She talks down to people.
She has that fake smile and personality.
She pretends to know something she doesn't.
Her cellphone never leaves her hand, or she checks it often.
Texting or talking to other people on her cellphone or mobile device' is more important that the people present.
She not only wants to know what I do, but expects me to be able to explain it with 'simple words' in less than ten seconds so she can pretend she's an expert too.
Free and Clear :
This is a toss up between single mom and horse owner. But if you ever meet any with both qualifications run as fast as you can.
Single mom - self explanatory
Horse owner -
Alik Sakharov :
LOL i started to talk with a horse girl recently
... She takes a good care of her body but has the intellectual capacity of a toilet paper roll
.
Darth Sin :
1) Lack of courtesy (this actually applies to both men and women).
2) Lack of rational thought capabilities and lack of intelligence.
3) Lack of fitness (I know the difference between fat and curvy).
Ike3 :
The second they start the STRONG INDEPENDANT WOMAN routine.....they can go piss up a rope!
Chris :
Back when I was dating, the shit-test would be the deal breaker. You know: She's enthusiastic and bubbly for the first few weeks, and then one night, you pick her up and she's quiet and very obviously sulking. You try once: "What's wrong?" Every man in these forums can quote her one-word reply.
A man who's alert to the test will not continue with the knee-jerk response, "No, really, what's the matter?" Instead, he'll say, "Oh, good. I thought something was wrong," and then ignore her silent, very-clearly-trying-to-look-distant mood for the rest of the night. A day later, of course, he'll be called into question. "Why didn't you care that I wasn't in a good mood?" "Well, I asked. You said, 'Nothing.' Were you lying? Because I don't play those games. You're a grown woman. If you have a problem, you can share it without being begged to."
Of course, that's the ideal answer. But we're taught to be kind to women, because they're made of glass, delicate and demure and all of that stuff (horseshit is what it is -- woman are actually vulgar, barbaric creatures), so the male brain often automatically resorts to, "Oh, sorry -- what was wrong, then?" "You didn't say anything about my new blouse." The mangina will now pass the shit test, to her delight: "Oh, I'm sorry! It was a really pretty blouse. I don't know your wardrobe that well yet." Then he'll buy her something to make up for it. She's begun his training.
A self-contained man will happily fail the shit test: "Why should I have to remark about any article of clothing? It's not my job to vindicate your attire! What are you, a child? If you need that kind of reassurance, you need to move on. I'm not your man. Otherwise, play another mind game with me, and we're done. It's your decision."
Of course, we know it had nothing to do with the blouse, in my hypothetical example. It was about seeing how much shit he'd put up with. Men must try to fail shit tests every time they detect them. They'll become constant, after a certain point, unless the guy stands his ground. Or goes his own way, as I have, and avoids women altogether, because he's decided to opt for a happy life of freedom.
McCracken :
Excellent. Back when I would date I would fail shit tests because I didn't understand women. This was way before I started reading PUA material and eventually MGTOW material. Now in retrospect, I'm glad I failed them because I didn't get deeply entangled in these women, the kind of entrapment that leads to living together or marriage. Because as we say, the effort expended is not worth the reward procured!
The_Joker :
What is a beautiful woman in her 30's and not married. What's wrong with that picture. I am on guard. And now for the list:
Below is the list of pump and dump material.
Shallow. Spends her time shopping or on facebook.
Stupid women. Clueless not well read and so on.
Baby fever. Marriage fever. You can smell the desparation on her.
Single mother.
And the worst of the worst. Drum role please . . .
Feminist. ( Yeah. I'll do a feminist. I just won't admit to it. Ha ha)
Eiji :
hypocrisy...
women claiming they want a man in their lives.. but in the same breath, they go for rules and legislation that says the exact opposite.....
Eidolon3436 :
Fats and uggos.
Distant third is hard drug use or past.
Nuggets :
#1 red flag for me is if she's fundamentally a negative person. If she fails that test, nothing else makes up for it. Not to say that other red flags don't matter, just that this is a prerequisite. If everything about her is negativity, sarcasm, cockiness, bitterness, and jealousy, every minute with her is a minute closer to death. And she'll never change in a million years, so there's no point in hoping for it.
I have issues with depression, but I'm fundamentally a positive person when it comes down to it. That sounds contradictory, but I think you guys know what I mean. It's about making an effort to move forward and thinking in terms of possibilities vs. refusing to make an effort and blaming other people continuously over a lifetime.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying oh if she's happy go lucky then I'm gonna marry her or date her, just that being around negative women is like slowly poisoning yourself.
Insidious_Sid :
Their inherent entitlement, solipsism and narcissism and expectation that I owe them attention and must keep them engaged and entertained.
I can't believe it, but women have allowed themselves to get SO UNATTRACTIVE that even a horn dog like me has walked away.
It's incredible.
Darkman :
When they fill out the application and come to the question, "Have you or any member of your family been treated for a mental disorder?". That usually screens out 99% of them.
Jonitus :
Vapidness, whorish mannerisms or dress, swearing, inability to communicate, sex-obsessed, shallow as a mud puddle, swearing, smoking, follows fashion trends, doesn't read books for fun, uneducated.
I also won't give the time of day to a woman with blonde or red hair, or a woman with blue eyes.
Eskorteprinsen :
I think you guys has summed it up for me, regarding women and red flags.Actually I dont deal with women at all after my work is done....life is too short,and wasting it on shallow creatures, who are only interested in themselves, and my wallet,isnt worth spending any time with; even if its only "pump and dump"...but thats just me.
LastPriory :
Any woman wearing black and red. As far as I have observed, women who wear black and red exhibit all of the negative personality traits everyone else here has listed so far.
Nuggets :
I never thought about that but you're probably on to something. There's the proverbial little black dress, and red is what they tell you to wear when you want to seem "passionate".
LastPriory :
Women "feel" colors. Black is the opposite of the white bridal gown, a statement of purity, chastity and faithfulness. (yeah, like that shit ever happens, IRL)
Red is what women deal with once per month. Women are hornier than ever. I see more and more pregnant women each day. Yikes!
When I see a woman wearing Lucifers' Uniform (black and red) it reminds me of my first and only interview for a "modeling gig" back when I was young, thin and ugly.
The whole place was black and red. Carpet was black, walls were black, all the door frames, doors and trim were red. Then there was the bondage equipment.
I was seriously creeped out and walked out of the interview.
Hesiod :
No. 1 turn off for me.....
She has a child
Alik Sakharov :
Bahahahaa
this one really caught me unprepared
. I was like " So ...so ..." waiting for something original
.
And then " get out ...! '
This is a good one really !
MGTOWFOREVER :
There is quite a few but here are the major ones.
1. She is on her phone- I don't mean an emergency like her neighbor calls her to tell her that her house is on fire or if she gets a call about a sick loved one. I mean she gets a call from a friend and accepts the call. The phone should be on vibrate and only answered in emergencies. When she accepts a non-emergency call then that tells me she doesn't value me and its a way of spitting in my face. If I am taking the time out of my day to meet someone then I expect a little respect.
2. Self-Centered- That means she only gives a fuck about herself and nothing else matters.
3. Rudeness- If she insults other people in my presence or me for no reason then bye bye bitch.
4. Being unreasonably late. Anything more than 15 minutes with no phone call is a one way ticket to hell to me.
5. She talks about her past boyfriends. Thats a sign she still has feelings for them and I am nobody's back up. Also, since most women seem to be in that bisexual trend, if I found out she has been with other chicks then I am running away faster than Forrest Gump.
6. Shit tests and head games. Self explanatory.
7. She talks about sex or makes sex jokes. I'd tell her to leave and go spread her diseases to someone else.
8. Kids- I am not paying for another guy's sperm donations.
I know the above may sound harsh but after the way I've been toyed with by bitches those are my rules. I value myself, time, and money too much to put up with some dizzy cunt.
Nuggets :
^Number 7 on your list is often overlooked. There's a huge difference between being flirty and just being raunchy. Lurkers, if she's casual about sex with you, she's casual about it with every guy.
MGTOWFOREVER :
I can take being flirty and joking. But the thing is when its constant that tells me she is preoccupied with sex so most likely a cum dumpster.
Let me add one more to my list.
9. Dictating my life- I just met her and she thinks she is my slave driver? The hell with her. If I like let's say Metallica and she thinks they suck thats okay. But when she keeps going on and expects me to change what I like just to please her then there's the door.
ShogunRonin :
1. Non-stop drivel about their boyfriends/husbands. Even in a professional conversation at work everything is referenced to their love interest. It comes off a little insecure.
2. Social rudeness: Speaking over you, conversational thread snipping, random obsure shit tests/mind games to see your reaction. It has reached a point at work where i've had to look them in the eye and say 'listen, don't speak over me. Be more polite. If you cannot be polite then do not talk to me..''
3. Sociopathic re-framing: If you do not speak to them, you're shy or gay. If you do speak to them you are interested. If you do not notice them you're an asshole, if you do notice them you're a creep unless you're a chad.
4. Talking behind your back.
We are dealing most women being narcissists. A mental disorder. Most women fit the criteria.
LastPriory :
Good responses, all around.
Lately for me it's not about women smelling the color of something,
nor is it cracking their code, so to speak.
For me, it's something different and I just thought of a name for it.
Cunt Wafting.
Meet OMG if you want to know or theorize what cunt wafting is all about.
The OMG is LTR among Friends, Friends of Friends, and crucial thinkers.
For the rest of you, think of "Cuntwafting" as a feminist version of "Mansplaining",
"Manspreading", and "Feminazism" operating in reverse, LiFo order.
The most emotional thing a woman presents to any man is very likely the least
profitable option for the man from whom is requested work.
Yet women continue to spread their scent in order to confuse us and deny us our use of
our own efforts on the behalf of ourselves and others.
This is quite a conundrum.
Canis :
General negativity. My late wife was nothing but negativity. Also, bitches who can't keep their eyes off their damned phones.
LastPriory :
Agreed. Phone bound cellular slaves are a divorce waiting to happen.
I'm happy for your divorce, and I hope you don't have to pay much for it.
My #0 black flag is this:
Because when I was in second grade, we were taught to count from the number 0 on
the number line....
Drumroll please...
Women who can't forget and don't forgive while endlessly attempting to control my speech.
Canis :
Not divorce; death. My wife died in September 2016. Now I'm truly free.
Mikediver :
The mother of my children died in 1997. I feel guilty from time to time about being grateful for being able to raise my children without having to live under the divorce threat Sword of Damocles. Unlike 99% of men today, my kids were my kids, and no woman could take them away on a whim, or to extract resources/vengeance.
> "Originally Posted by The Prisoner
> breathing
Kind of like the WWII German Army physical; take a deep breath, you pass.
stanmsl :
Symptoms of post carousel trauma, this is the number one deal breaker for myself as far as women are concerned.
Ugly Tattoos and piercings can be removed. Short hair can be grown and weight can be lost.
While all women carry a lot of risk these days I'd choose one with a couple of kids and a stable relationship history over a better looking, child free post carousel slut any day of the week.
MGTOWFOREVER :
The single mom is a dangerous bet. You will always be last to her over everything else. Also, don't forget about the false molestation charges.
The Prisoner :
breathing
Darkman :
Best answer ever. Succinct and to the point. Helped me start my morning on a high note.
Thomas Covenant :
Aye! I read that the US army by contrast was quite picky. if WW2 was fought with swords, the US would have spanked everyone else even more easily.
Eiji :
another turn-off... she shows interest in me....
(I figure if I'm not allowed to appreciate women... well, whats good for the gander is good for the goose...)
Insidious_Sid :
Knowing her true nature.
Eiji :
with all this..... makes me wonder...
why would any sensible man want to meet women anymore????
doesnt seem logical regarding that women consider us more expendable than ever.....
(and I'm not going to go with them until I get recognized as a person again...)
Insidious_Sid :
I now loathe (and avoid) the whole "meeting them" part, really. It's like, "Oh, bloody hell. Another dissatisfied woman looking externally for things to make her have good feelz."
Red Pill and MGTOW just have me saying "Pleased to meet you." and continuing on with my day.
I like to think of myself as an "indifferent bastard" who only cares about the welfare of his children.
Mastery of one's impulses becomes SO much easier with time. I recommend lurkers and young men on the fence just TRY to live a "zero fucks given" approach to women for just a few months or a year. Watch your anxiety PLUMMET. Watch your bank account grow. Watch your confidence grow. Want to scratch that itch and get laid? Go for it! Just don't entertain her "Where is this relationship going?" or "We need to talk" or "Want to take this relationship to the next level" bullshit routines.
Do. Not. Move. The. Bitch. In.
It's quite that simple. Many men I know are doing this (no next level, no shared accomodations) and they've never even heard the term MGTOW.
Men are becoming MGTOW and living the MGTOW lifestyle without even knowing they are MGTOW!! LOL!
Eiji :
heh.. once did look at the "heartless bitches" webpage.. they posed the idea of men becoming "heartless bastards"... "bastard" standing for "being a strong thinker and radical doer"...
come to think of it... that does make some sense...
Opaque :
Insidious_Sid :
Yeah, some women who think that weekly sex = daily fine dining and $10 Latte's. Fuck that. 'Next' THAT overpriced vagina. Some women actually brag about eating out all the time and never paying for a single meal. These are the women you see on dating sites year after year after year. Still looking for Mr. Perfect, but willing to let Mr. Not Good Enough pay for a nice evening out. Even If she lands a "three date" guy, she gets three meals before the dumb fool realizes that sex isn't even on the table - just rich food and large bills.
Usually, the size of her ass can be a good indication of her love for food.
When I see two women order food, I wonder when the other 2 people in their party are showing up. Nopes. It's all for them. Appetizers. Wine. Mains. Dessert. After dessert coffee. They have asses the size of polar bears and put "athletic" in their dating profile because they own yoga pants and did that spin class one time...
And they wonder why they are being fucked and chucked for hitting out of their league. LMAO.
Eiji :
words of wisdom.... "If you have to ask the price, you cant afford it..."
Opaque :
> she gets three meals before the dumb fool realizes that sex isn't even on the table - just rich food and large
hehe! so true. I remember dating a cunt once and she was telling me about how well she doing at work, how she loves the 'independent' life. She said she felt empowered and 'worked' hard everyday and she told me from the start of the start of the date the she wanted a man with 'initiative'; otherwise she wasn't interested. (she was a middle easterner who had just moved to the UK)
When I heard that I asked for the bill, paid in full and told her i had to go home early because i have a business trip early morning tomorrow; which I think made her pussy super wet.
WTF is up with 'independent' cunts? If they are so independent why don't they just ask men out, pay in full for the dinner and chase after them?
Manipulative cunts.
Eskorteprinsen :
masculinity,rude(having a big mouth,swearing like a sailor) disrespectful,manipulaitve....the list can goes on for ever!.Sorry,I cant say the "one thing",aka red-flag,that turns me off, when meeting a women,(I dont meet anyone in my own country),but there are soooo many red-flags,regarding western women, in todays society.
TheRecipe :
"career driven" - another massive red flag for me. Often coupled with whining about how she can't find a man as good as her. Usually the higher the position they hold the worse they get.
Nacho Vidal :
She has a kid or kids.
For me its definitely disrespect
For example her constantly being on her smartphone or talking about her past or current relationships and flirting with other men in front of me.
The "Johnson" really cant stand that kind of shit and refuses to make love to that kind of woman.
Kyojiro Kagenuma :
@juicemoney
aw man, I was into J-Law and you ruined it. lol.
For me it's almost every time when a woman speaks her mind.
Octavian :
Shit, I have to choose one?!
Right now , the top two contenders both involve women enticing me into adultery. In front of their spouses. One in public. The prospect of being used as a fulcrum for her hypergamous instinct is a severe mood killer for me, among other considerations.
Other ones:
Drug use, legal and illegal.
Blatant disregard for human life. "whatever, I just need him for money/car/etc."
Blatant usery of males in her life..." OK Dad whatever, thanks for the money, bye"
Inability to cope with basic life tasks ..." you have to change the oil in the car?!"
fuck it, the whole concept of women as people is a turn off. If my mind were a government, I would have banned women long ago. Unfortunately my balls periodically take over my government by force. Its an ongoing political crisis for my 27 year old self.
EddieS :
There are several that share the top of the list for me. But the first is Valley speak. Much of the time just hearing them talk to someone else with Valley speak tells me I am not interested. If they Valley speak they are immersed in the culture I am not the slightest bit interested in. It's assured there will be a multitude of red flags to follow. So Valley speakers don't even get a start.
Cicero :
Tattoos and piercings, and swearing.
TheRecipe :
Self centeredness - always talking about her issues like they are the priority, while ignoring most of what I'm saying. A loud screechy voice is always a real turn off too. I try to get the hell away from these types of women ASAP!
livas :
Running "hot & cold" all the time.
"I really dont know what I want in life but I really like tying you to the bed"
10 min. later while texting her ex boyfriends...
"I think its time for you to leave I am expecting a call"
Brain damaging shit.
TheRecipe :
That flip flopping shit used to drive me nuts. In your case I think I would just get up and walk out without saying anything. She will be going crazy for your nuts in a few days at which point I'd tell her I found someone else.
jso :
their personalities.
fantasma :
For me, it is definitely aggressiveness in trying to 'size me up' as her next host to feed on. Questions like 'Why are you still single/a bachelor?' 'What do you do for a living?' 'Would you ever date a single mother?' and statements like 'you've /never/ been married??'
Red flag when they are mostly interested in getting commitment/financial needs met...
livas :
From reading the forums and watching yt im getting the impression that shit is really hitting the fan in the US in a extreme & dysfunctional way.
RedComma :
Easy.
Their facial expressions. If they radiate femininity, i'm gucci with asking for their phone numbers. Otherwise (which is 99% of the time), move on bitch.
Matt Foley :
Just one thing? Probably when they talk constantly about what an asshole their ex was. You know... when it's obvious they're still completely hung up on the guy even though he's a complete piece of shit loser (or maybe she's the piece of shit and is projecting onto him). Either way, it's a major red flag turn off.
A close second is when every story they tell is about how they were somehow victimized or taken advantage of by employers, parents, friends... whoever. At some point, wouldn't you start taking ownership of your own piss poor decisions?
Nevermind. I already know the answer to that
livas :
Yea but sometimes they forget to mention fucking their opressive employer to calm his oppressiveness.
One actually told me with a dead-cold emotionless expression on her face that once she (20) started sleeping with her boss (60) she got a new 600$ smartphone from him.
Try "getting it up" now pal good luck with that
Oh man they really are like a copy of a copy of a copy...
I can definitely relate to this one.
Really disgusting
Grenade001 :
#1 would be tattoos, piercings and generally trashy clothing. Seriously ladies, how difficult is it to wear a dress, heels and not cake yourself in make up?
#2 would be an irresistible urge on their part to fill every silence with topics that they find amusing. Also when they talk about how "great" they are and about how they could get so and so.
#3 would be when they come up to me. 99 times out of 100 they want something out of me, stuff for which I am not keen on giving away.
#4 would be when they complain about being broke (don't need to expand on this) and when someone criticises them on their lack of future time-orientation.
Ithit :
Barring physical traits I find unattractive, hypocrisy is my #1 red flag. It suggests a healthy hamster that greatly increases my risks in associating with such a girl.
Chef :
Excessive foul language
The just woke up hair look
Gym apparel or pajamas in public
McCracken :
The fact that she's a woman.
Axis :
What isn't?
The fact that she's a "modern woman" is enough for me to see her as a pump'n' dump at best. The "strong, emancipated transsexual man-woman" of this day and age is the ultimate red flag all by itself. Now that her feral programming and basic instincts are running loose and are completely of the chains, you have to keep seeing things in the right perspective and act accordingly.
Neo :
Swearing, tramp stamps and having absolutely nothing to say. Constant small talk about nothing, noise to fill a silence because they have zero personality and zero to talk about.
alcockell :
Was my generation (40something) the last one where women had any sense of accountability?
Mikediver :
I am about 60 and I thought it was was prior to my generation, so there is no telling how far back this goes. I do think that the 70s pretty much marked the start of the age of the feral woman in the US.
alcockell :
Ahh - so 80s in the UK would be about right, considering we run about 10 years behind you, except in terms of The Pill becoming legal over here first.
Tenbatsu :
Stupidity. Male or female, it's the most annoying thing in the world to me.
Guess I'm single for life. I think I'll manage.
Happy_Hour :
If I just met her and she asks me for anything other then sex at her place my alarms go off.
Coastal :
Campaign stories about how she totally scored a huge victory for Girrrrl Powah by telling some minimum wage shop assistant or waiter to go **** his ******** self, and how she was waiting for the meeting to start at work when some sexist **** said 'You're in Department F, same as Gary, right?' and she's, like, ***** off you freaky ******* weirdo and then she gets home and the landlord phones to say the power company will be coming round to service her boiler next Tuesday, and she's like 'Are you ****** joking, you ****** ****? **** off, you ***** piece of ****''.....
Repeat x 1000
jagrmeister :
Manly behavior. Hate it. I am fine with being a man. She should be fine with being a woman- and be really good at it. Not knowing how to cook, not knowing how to dress, talking at length about her career, talking about money/acquiring money/owning rental properties, etc. Male behavior patterns like chin up, staring off into the distance; male-like aggression like being dismissive, or angrily contradictory. I don't need or want a verbal sparring partner.
Much of the problem I believe is that women in their 20s and even 30s have unrealistic expectations. They can't or won't invest in their male SMV-equal....until it's too late. This more than anything causes a breakdown in the relationship dynamic. This is the outcome of an unchained Hamster. The Hamster doesn't listen to reason- it responds to ancient attraction/infatuation cues from the jungle, and fear (desperation from hitting the wall). Women say the Heart wants what it wants - I guess the heart really wants a CAT!
Axis :
Non-feminine behavior, unrealistic demands and through the roof entitlement. Pretty much sums it up indeed.
Ancient Sunlight :
A bad temperament. Constant anger, constant mood-swings, constant yelling and crying - so many women do it! Can't we just drop the drama?
Neo :
Above are a few common symptoms of post carousel trauma....
EternalBachelor :
1. With her child.
2. Fat / Over weight
3. Tattoos / Piercings
juicemoney :
A lot of good points in this thread. I don't have a single factor that outweighs the others but if I had to rank them...
Number one easily identifiable red flag is short hair or partially shaved hair.
I have noticed this one factor can help a dude avoid damaged goods. Through observation and experience I have noticed short hair would probably indicate several things:
- probably a social liberal (naive world view, refuses to even consider contradictory ideas, easily absorbs ideas superficially without critical thinking, believes in higher taxes and more government)
- feminist (self explanatory)
- not very feminine (probably swears, drinks excessively, rude)
- follows the heard (it doesn't look good, other chicks butcher their hair too)
- insecurity (goes with following the heard)
- mild narcissism/possible solipsism (at a minimum, pretty self absorbed if she believes that looks better)
- very high chance she is simply a bitch
Severe examples I could find (blonde shows the contrast better... I'm also slightly partial
versus
versus
Finally a combined comparison!
EDIT: Return of Kings has a hilarious (and quite valid) editorial on the subject. ROK can be pretty hit or miss but this was a good one.
WheelBarrow :
#1 She has children
#2 She has tattoos and/or piercings in excess of one set of earrings.
#3 She immediately has a demand of chivalry while dismissing men in general
#4 She has no accountability (you have to check the oil?)
#5 She always expects your participation in her interests and outright dismisses yours
livas :
Introduction of the birth control pill in the United States in 1960 marked the beginning of female sexual freedom (which is good right!)
But once child support and alimony became a weapon to individuals who were starting to trick the other sex into paying it and the female became entitled to it because she had been placed on a pedestal, pandora's box was opened.
mooseman44 :
My turn-offs include:
Nose-studs and other piercings except on the ears (and except belly-button piercings
Heavy drinkers - ladettes
Lack of intelligence - including ones who think they're intelligent but aren't eg, makes loads of spelling mistakes.
Liberals/opinionated
Bossy
Feigning "offence" at my humour
Acting childishly
Has children (also ones who have children and talk about them all the time as if they're the only ones who've shat out a vagina turd)
Bad breath
Laziness
Talking about which celebrities are "fit", "cute", "hot", "gorgeous" (the one I hate most) or other media buzzwords.
My major turn off though is being FAT. Yuck. Fat women with huge bellies, fat arses and double chins who think they're attractive by showing off humongous saggy tits in low cut tops.
There are loads of others too.
corvair61 :
Being late.
I had one cunt show up an hour late one time. I chewed her out and told her what a fuckup she was, then I calmed
down and we had a few drinks and she fucked me on the first date.
So now I know she is a whore that shows up late.
I thought I'd give her another poke and scheduled another meeting. Again late.
I told her to fuck off.
quasar :
You waited for an hour? Any man who waits for more than 15 minutes WITHOUT getting a text from her that she is late and will be there by x minutes has in my opinion little self-respect.
1) Fat
2) A leftist
3) Waiting to pounce on you
4) Who gets insulted when you don't back down
5) Can't talk about anything that needs some deeper thought
livas :
>
> Being late.
> ...she fucked me on the first date.
> I told her to fuck off.
You sir have been awarded the "Mr Boombastic" medal of honor.
>
> Can't you be excited about something for once? Don't you have some passion, some interest in something? "No...
I like to call this type "The one who lost her soul"
Been there done that.
Disgusting & gut wrenching.
Ancient Sunlight :
I came up with another one, which I now realize had turned me off many a girl in my younger years: a lack of enthusiasm, a certain mundanity, a certain lifelessness. Women who are bored by most everything; who are incapable of showing generous enthusiasm; who lack zeal, energy, zest! Either they are searchers of only hedonistic pleasure, or they are pathologically melancholy - perhaps there are other causes. Can't you be excited about something for once? Don't you have some passion, some interest in something? "No, I just want to watch some TV," - sitcoms of course, - "I'm tired." They are always tired.
MacOisdealbh:
All women, regardless of age, are learning that they don't have to be accountable. When they choose to be irresponsible within a marriage the courts will make the man accountable for her irresponsibility.
livas :
Which in some way, once you start to realise that, becomes "the" ultimate turn off just thinking about it.
Macavity :
BEING FAT.
A girl being fat tells me she doesn't care about how she looks, how she eats, lacks discipline to hold a gym schedule, and doesn't care to be a girl.
>
> Gym apparel... in public
This would be a TURN ON to me. I encourage girls to wear gym clothes most of the time, especially around the house, so they can always hop on the treadmill or do some exercise at the spur of the moment. Fit girls look hot in gym clothes (fit girls look hot in anything actually).
I'd prefer a DUMB GIRL who is not fat than a brilliant girl who is fat.
I'd prefer an ANNOYING PERSONALITY who is not fat than a pleasant girl who is fat.
I'd prefer a smoker with tattoos on a not fat chick before a smoke-free, non-tattoo girl who is fat.
I'd prefer a SLUT who is not fat over a VIRGIN who is fat.
Fat girls are the worst thing on Earth.
(Short hair would be my second.)
COSTPI :
I actually have the opposite preference. I prefer a girl who may be slightly overweight but can compensate for it with her brilliance. But even this girl is incredibly rare. Looks are nice in terms of sex, going out in public, and generating a higher status but it doesn't necessarily mean she cares about her health because there are plenty of skinny good looking unhealthy girls. Appearance in my opinion is a superficial and fleeting thing. She may be able to hold a gym schedule but some of the really good looking ones rely on the attribute of appearance almost completely. Esther Vilar said that a woman with an IQ of a chimpanzee can live well in this world because of her appearance. And I tend to agree with that. At least the less attractive but smart ones understand more about what it's like to be a man. They don't have what the pretty ones rely on so they must make due some other way. That or they bitch and complain about it and usually end up becoming feminists.
I have so many deal breakers so I don't know what my number 1 red flag would be. I guess if I would choose, my number 1 red flag would be either annoyance or stupidity. That is unless the girl is either really ugly or really fat. Then it may be appearance.
Devil :
I don't know how many of you have to deal with this kind of shit, but there is a high concentration of black women here where I live. So, in a word: ratchet. I can't stand a ratchet bitch and it goes right in hand with most of what a lot of you had to say.
- Aggressive (and not in the fun, sexual way)
- Foul mouth
- Irritating voice
- Inability to sympathize with anything or anyone
- Obvious gold digger mentality
- Several children, especially by different men
Demosthenes :
Just off the top of my head...
She smokes.
She wears too much makeup.
She apparently likes everything I like.
She asks what my income is.
She pretends that everything said by me or anyone else present is funny.
She's obviously been drinking too much.
She talks down to people.
She has that fake smile and personality.
She pretends to know something she doesn't.
Her cellphone never leaves her hand, or she checks it often.
Texting or talking to other people on her cellphone or mobile device' is more important that the people present.
She not only wants to know what I do, but expects me to be able to explain it with 'simple words' in less than ten seconds so she can pretend she's an expert too.
Free and Clear :
This is a toss up between single mom and horse owner. But if you ever meet any with both qualifications run as fast as you can.
Single mom - self explanatory
Horse owner -
Alik Sakharov :
LOL i started to talk with a horse girl recently
Darth Sin :
1) Lack of courtesy (this actually applies to both men and women).
2) Lack of rational thought capabilities and lack of intelligence.
3) Lack of fitness (I know the difference between fat and curvy).
Ike3 :
The second they start the STRONG INDEPENDANT WOMAN routine.....they can go piss up a rope!
Chris :
Back when I was dating, the shit-test would be the deal breaker. You know: She's enthusiastic and bubbly for the first few weeks, and then one night, you pick her up and she's quiet and very obviously sulking. You try once: "What's wrong?" Every man in these forums can quote her one-word reply.
A man who's alert to the test will not continue with the knee-jerk response, "No, really, what's the matter?" Instead, he'll say, "Oh, good. I thought something was wrong," and then ignore her silent, very-clearly-trying-to-look-distant mood for the rest of the night. A day later, of course, he'll be called into question. "Why didn't you care that I wasn't in a good mood?" "Well, I asked. You said, 'Nothing.' Were you lying? Because I don't play those games. You're a grown woman. If you have a problem, you can share it without being begged to."
Of course, that's the ideal answer. But we're taught to be kind to women, because they're made of glass, delicate and demure and all of that stuff (horseshit is what it is -- woman are actually vulgar, barbaric creatures), so the male brain often automatically resorts to, "Oh, sorry -- what was wrong, then?" "You didn't say anything about my new blouse." The mangina will now pass the shit test, to her delight: "Oh, I'm sorry! It was a really pretty blouse. I don't know your wardrobe that well yet." Then he'll buy her something to make up for it. She's begun his training.
A self-contained man will happily fail the shit test: "Why should I have to remark about any article of clothing? It's not my job to vindicate your attire! What are you, a child? If you need that kind of reassurance, you need to move on. I'm not your man. Otherwise, play another mind game with me, and we're done. It's your decision."
Of course, we know it had nothing to do with the blouse, in my hypothetical example. It was about seeing how much shit he'd put up with. Men must try to fail shit tests every time they detect them. They'll become constant, after a certain point, unless the guy stands his ground. Or goes his own way, as I have, and avoids women altogether, because he's decided to opt for a happy life of freedom.
McCracken :
Excellent. Back when I would date I would fail shit tests because I didn't understand women. This was way before I started reading PUA material and eventually MGTOW material. Now in retrospect, I'm glad I failed them because I didn't get deeply entangled in these women, the kind of entrapment that leads to living together or marriage. Because as we say, the effort expended is not worth the reward procured!
The_Joker :
What is a beautiful woman in her 30's and not married. What's wrong with that picture. I am on guard. And now for the list:
Below is the list of pump and dump material.
Shallow. Spends her time shopping or on facebook.
Stupid women. Clueless not well read and so on.
Baby fever. Marriage fever. You can smell the desparation on her.
Single mother.
And the worst of the worst. Drum role please . . .
Feminist. ( Yeah. I'll do a feminist. I just won't admit to it. Ha ha)
Eiji :
hypocrisy...
women claiming they want a man in their lives.. but in the same breath, they go for rules and legislation that says the exact opposite.....
Eidolon3436 :
Fats and uggos.
Distant third is hard drug use or past.
Nuggets :
#1 red flag for me is if she's fundamentally a negative person. If she fails that test, nothing else makes up for it. Not to say that other red flags don't matter, just that this is a prerequisite. If everything about her is negativity, sarcasm, cockiness, bitterness, and jealousy, every minute with her is a minute closer to death. And she'll never change in a million years, so there's no point in hoping for it.
I have issues with depression, but I'm fundamentally a positive person when it comes down to it. That sounds contradictory, but I think you guys know what I mean. It's about making an effort to move forward and thinking in terms of possibilities vs. refusing to make an effort and blaming other people continuously over a lifetime.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying oh if she's happy go lucky then I'm gonna marry her or date her, just that being around negative women is like slowly poisoning yourself.
Insidious_Sid :
Their inherent entitlement, solipsism and narcissism and expectation that I owe them attention and must keep them engaged and entertained.
I can't believe it, but women have allowed themselves to get SO UNATTRACTIVE that even a horn dog like me has walked away.
It's incredible.
Darkman :
When they fill out the application and come to the question, "Have you or any member of your family been treated for a mental disorder?". That usually screens out 99% of them.
Jonitus :
Vapidness, whorish mannerisms or dress, swearing, inability to communicate, sex-obsessed, shallow as a mud puddle, swearing, smoking, follows fashion trends, doesn't read books for fun, uneducated.
I also won't give the time of day to a woman with blonde or red hair, or a woman with blue eyes.
Eskorteprinsen :
I think you guys has summed it up for me, regarding women and red flags.Actually I dont deal with women at all after my work is done....life is too short,and wasting it on shallow creatures, who are only interested in themselves, and my wallet,isnt worth spending any time with; even if its only "pump and dump"...but thats just me.
LastPriory :
Any woman wearing black and red. As far as I have observed, women who wear black and red exhibit all of the negative personality traits everyone else here has listed so far.
Nuggets :
I never thought about that but you're probably on to something. There's the proverbial little black dress, and red is what they tell you to wear when you want to seem "passionate".
LastPriory :
Women "feel" colors. Black is the opposite of the white bridal gown, a statement of purity, chastity and faithfulness. (yeah, like that shit ever happens, IRL)
Red is what women deal with once per month. Women are hornier than ever. I see more and more pregnant women each day. Yikes!
When I see a woman wearing Lucifers' Uniform (black and red) it reminds me of my first and only interview for a "modeling gig" back when I was young, thin and ugly.
The whole place was black and red. Carpet was black, walls were black, all the door frames, doors and trim were red. Then there was the bondage equipment.
I was seriously creeped out and walked out of the interview.
Hesiod :
No. 1 turn off for me.....
She has a child
Alik Sakharov :
Bahahahaa
And then " get out ...! '
This is a good one really !
MGTOWFOREVER :
There is quite a few but here are the major ones.
1. She is on her phone- I don't mean an emergency like her neighbor calls her to tell her that her house is on fire or if she gets a call about a sick loved one. I mean she gets a call from a friend and accepts the call. The phone should be on vibrate and only answered in emergencies. When she accepts a non-emergency call then that tells me she doesn't value me and its a way of spitting in my face. If I am taking the time out of my day to meet someone then I expect a little respect.
2. Self-Centered- That means she only gives a fuck about herself and nothing else matters.
3. Rudeness- If she insults other people in my presence or me for no reason then bye bye bitch.
4. Being unreasonably late. Anything more than 15 minutes with no phone call is a one way ticket to hell to me.
5. She talks about her past boyfriends. Thats a sign she still has feelings for them and I am nobody's back up. Also, since most women seem to be in that bisexual trend, if I found out she has been with other chicks then I am running away faster than Forrest Gump.
6. Shit tests and head games. Self explanatory.
7. She talks about sex or makes sex jokes. I'd tell her to leave and go spread her diseases to someone else.
8. Kids- I am not paying for another guy's sperm donations.
I know the above may sound harsh but after the way I've been toyed with by bitches those are my rules. I value myself, time, and money too much to put up with some dizzy cunt.
Nuggets :
^Number 7 on your list is often overlooked. There's a huge difference between being flirty and just being raunchy. Lurkers, if she's casual about sex with you, she's casual about it with every guy.
MGTOWFOREVER :
I can take being flirty and joking. But the thing is when its constant that tells me she is preoccupied with sex so most likely a cum dumpster.
Let me add one more to my list.
9. Dictating my life- I just met her and she thinks she is my slave driver? The hell with her. If I like let's say Metallica and she thinks they suck thats okay. But when she keeps going on and expects me to change what I like just to please her then there's the door.
ShogunRonin :
1. Non-stop drivel about their boyfriends/husbands. Even in a professional conversation at work everything is referenced to their love interest. It comes off a little insecure.
2. Social rudeness: Speaking over you, conversational thread snipping, random obsure shit tests/mind games to see your reaction. It has reached a point at work where i've had to look them in the eye and say 'listen, don't speak over me. Be more polite. If you cannot be polite then do not talk to me..''
3. Sociopathic re-framing: If you do not speak to them, you're shy or gay. If you do speak to them you are interested. If you do not notice them you're an asshole, if you do notice them you're a creep unless you're a chad.
4. Talking behind your back.
We are dealing most women being narcissists. A mental disorder. Most women fit the criteria.
LastPriory :
Good responses, all around.
Lately for me it's not about women smelling the color of something,
nor is it cracking their code, so to speak.
For me, it's something different and I just thought of a name for it.
Cunt Wafting.
Meet OMG if you want to know or theorize what cunt wafting is all about.
The OMG is LTR among Friends, Friends of Friends, and crucial thinkers.
For the rest of you, think of "Cuntwafting" as a feminist version of "Mansplaining",
"Manspreading", and "Feminazism" operating in reverse, LiFo order.
The most emotional thing a woman presents to any man is very likely the least
profitable option for the man from whom is requested work.
Yet women continue to spread their scent in order to confuse us and deny us our use of
our own efforts on the behalf of ourselves and others.
This is quite a conundrum.
Canis :
General negativity. My late wife was nothing but negativity. Also, bitches who can't keep their eyes off their damned phones.
LastPriory :
Agreed. Phone bound cellular slaves are a divorce waiting to happen.
I'm happy for your divorce, and I hope you don't have to pay much for it.
My #0 black flag is this:
Because when I was in second grade, we were taught to count from the number 0 on
the number line....
Drumroll please...
Women who can't forget and don't forgive while endlessly attempting to control my speech.
Canis :
Not divorce; death. My wife died in September 2016. Now I'm truly free.
Mikediver :
The mother of my children died in 1997. I feel guilty from time to time about being grateful for being able to raise my children without having to live under the divorce threat Sword of Damocles. Unlike 99% of men today, my kids were my kids, and no woman could take them away on a whim, or to extract resources/vengeance.
> "Originally Posted by The Prisoner
> breathing
Kind of like the WWII German Army physical; take a deep breath, you pass.
stanmsl :
Symptoms of post carousel trauma, this is the number one deal breaker for myself as far as women are concerned.
Ugly Tattoos and piercings can be removed. Short hair can be grown and weight can be lost.
While all women carry a lot of risk these days I'd choose one with a couple of kids and a stable relationship history over a better looking, child free post carousel slut any day of the week.
MGTOWFOREVER :
The single mom is a dangerous bet. You will always be last to her over everything else. Also, don't forget about the false molestation charges.
The Prisoner :
breathing
Darkman :
Best answer ever. Succinct and to the point. Helped me start my morning on a high note.
Thomas Covenant :
Aye! I read that the US army by contrast was quite picky. if WW2 was fought with swords, the US would have spanked everyone else even more easily.
Eiji :
another turn-off... she shows interest in me....
(I figure if I'm not allowed to appreciate women... well, whats good for the gander is good for the goose...)
Insidious_Sid :
Knowing her true nature.
Eiji :
with all this..... makes me wonder...
why would any sensible man want to meet women anymore????
doesnt seem logical regarding that women consider us more expendable than ever.....
(and I'm not going to go with them until I get recognized as a person again...)
Insidious_Sid :
I now loathe (and avoid) the whole "meeting them" part, really. It's like, "Oh, bloody hell. Another dissatisfied woman looking externally for things to make her have good feelz."
Red Pill and MGTOW just have me saying "Pleased to meet you." and continuing on with my day.
I like to think of myself as an "indifferent bastard" who only cares about the welfare of his children.
Mastery of one's impulses becomes SO much easier with time. I recommend lurkers and young men on the fence just TRY to live a "zero fucks given" approach to women for just a few months or a year. Watch your anxiety PLUMMET. Watch your bank account grow. Watch your confidence grow. Want to scratch that itch and get laid? Go for it! Just don't entertain her "Where is this relationship going?" or "We need to talk" or "Want to take this relationship to the next level" bullshit routines.
Do. Not. Move. The. Bitch. In.
It's quite that simple. Many men I know are doing this (no next level, no shared accomodations) and they've never even heard the term MGTOW.
Men are becoming MGTOW and living the MGTOW lifestyle without even knowing they are MGTOW!! LOL!
Eiji :
heh.. once did look at the "heartless bitches" webpage.. they posed the idea of men becoming "heartless bastards"... "bastard" standing for "being a strong thinker and radical doer"...
come to think of it... that does make some sense...
Opaque :
- Several kids from different daddies; especially the 'bad-boy' types.
- Short hair - I mean seriously short like she wants to be a man.
- Talks about her ex - I'm not a fucking councillor.
- Being late - not respecting my time.
- Lack of honesty/integrity. A lack of seriousness and passion about important human issues.
- A woman who wants to be wined and dined before having sex every-time. Seriously, can't we just netflix and chill every now and then?
Insidious_Sid :
Yeah, some women who think that weekly sex = daily fine dining and $10 Latte's. Fuck that. 'Next' THAT overpriced vagina. Some women actually brag about eating out all the time and never paying for a single meal. These are the women you see on dating sites year after year after year. Still looking for Mr. Perfect, but willing to let Mr. Not Good Enough pay for a nice evening out. Even If she lands a "three date" guy, she gets three meals before the dumb fool realizes that sex isn't even on the table - just rich food and large bills.
Usually, the size of her ass can be a good indication of her love for food.
When I see two women order food, I wonder when the other 2 people in their party are showing up. Nopes. It's all for them. Appetizers. Wine. Mains. Dessert. After dessert coffee. They have asses the size of polar bears and put "athletic" in their dating profile because they own yoga pants and did that spin class one time...
And they wonder why they are being fucked and chucked for hitting out of their league. LMAO.
Eiji :
words of wisdom.... "If you have to ask the price, you cant afford it..."
Opaque :
> she gets three meals before the dumb fool realizes that sex isn't even on the table - just rich food and large
hehe! so true. I remember dating a cunt once and she was telling me about how well she doing at work, how she loves the 'independent' life. She said she felt empowered and 'worked' hard everyday and she told me from the start of the start of the date the she wanted a man with 'initiative'; otherwise she wasn't interested. (she was a middle easterner who had just moved to the UK)
When I heard that I asked for the bill, paid in full and told her i had to go home early because i have a business trip early morning tomorrow; which I think made her pussy super wet.
WTF is up with 'independent' cunts? If they are so independent why don't they just ask men out, pay in full for the dinner and chase after them?
Manipulative cunts.
Eskorteprinsen :
masculinity,rude(having a big mouth,swearing like a sailor) disrespectful,manipulaitve....the list can goes on for ever!.Sorry,I cant say the "one thing",aka red-flag,that turns me off, when meeting a women,(I dont meet anyone in my own country),but there are soooo many red-flags,regarding western women, in todays society.
TheRecipe :
"career driven" - another massive red flag for me. Often coupled with whining about how she can't find a man as good as her. Usually the higher the position they hold the worse they get.
Nacho Vidal :
She has a kid or kids.
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