Vine Swingers Meet their Fate

You all are likely familiar with the modern day female "vine-swinger". Not too long ago, a woman would evaluate a man for competence and a caring nature, and a man would evaluate the woman for compatibility. Then, blessed by their families, they would navigate life together. Today, women, absent any guidance from society, are acting on instinct, which was shaped in pre-civilization. IT is very much the case that these particular women still instinctually believe they are in the jungle. Based on casual observation, I'd say about 60-80% of modern women are vine-swingers. They are using jungle-era criteria to size up men like height, dominance (esp. social dominance), aggression, etc. This mate selection is working out as badly as you might imagine for them. Women are getting knocked up and abandoned in record numbers, they are getting pumped and dumped in record numbers; and women in record numbers are claiming emotional abuse (which they are trying to criminalize) after selecting men for dark triad traits. All this is Cause and Effect. But how do women end up with these Alphas? Well, from vine swinging away from Betas.

The basic premise here is that women test the waters with many men. Some women describe themselves as enthusiastic and open-minded about meeting any guy, but then the moment he breaks one of their imaginary rules that constitute "The One", they move on. In particular, when a man "loses frame" in a social interaction- that is he gets stepped on, or loses influence in the interaction, the woman may well vine-swing to the man who was more dominant in that interaction (or simply cut the ties with the original guy and look for someone else; the superficial attraction fades). This often happens at the early part of the interaction; but can still lead to vine-swinging if it happens enough later on in their relationship. This is why PUAs practice AMOG (alpha male of the group) to insulate themselves from women vine-swinging to another man in the event another man enters the interaction and is more dominant. As you can see, vine-swinging women know nothing of love; they are following primal impulses that largely amounts to superficial attraction, highly situational, easily triggered and impulses that easily fade. When vine-swinging, a woman can be infatuated by such a man but never experience anything akin to love.

Now, vine-swinging was unnecessary in the old system. The man and woman had sized each other up for compatibility over the long term- when it came to relatively meaningless things like social dominance (in a society where people's ability to provide resources is based on their competence, not social dominance), they didn't let it affect the relationship much. The two were "in it together". But remember, women skip the compatability check and enter "jungle mentality" immediately. So they are already in the frame of mind that they need to pair up with the man that gives them the best chance of survival,circa BC 10,000.

Vine-swinging puts a premium on social dominance. It causes women to Next men who may be great in an LTR, for men who will naturally attract other vine-swingers, and generally have no reason for exclusivity, whatever they may imply. Vine-swingers are also the Carsousel riders - they emphasize how much men have dumped them (to play the victim) but they never point out how many men they've vine-swung away from, for petty and practically immaterial social infractions.
When people say family is the building block of society, they are talking about a structure that provides a hospitable environment for children to grow up in. In many ways, the Rules of society give the framework for family's being created and the optimal environment for child-rearing. On their own, women follow their lower primate instincts to the detriment of themselves, good men, and ultimately their future children. The key point here is: the "civilized" nature of modern human civilizations is paper-thin. Our genetics are almost identical to those who roamed the same land we occupy 10,000 years ago. The RULES are what have advanced, because they steer man towards long-term orientation and protect him from the animal instincts that led him and her astray. The moment we jettison those rules, as women have done with mate selection, we see how clearly the stability of family (and possibly society)comes undone. Especially with women, absent guidance, we OVERESTIMATE just how advanced we are at the individual level. The average **** is not a philosopher. She will be guided by instinct or conformity with social rules. Feminism has erased the latter for women- decrying them as patriarchy. Now we see what the alternative yields. I'll let the feminists choke on this statement: the condition of society and families is not driven by the nature of women (their biology and limitations remain constant); it depends on man's stewardship of women and their worldview through social forces. ​Man has abdicated his role in this regard (or rather the elite have seized it from him); and chaos has replaced harmony.

Not all women are vine-swingers. Some are willing to forgo cheap validation from higher SMV males and pair up with a compatibile guy during her sexual prime to form the right quid-pro-quo with a man who she'll spend the rest of her life with. The ones that do not have decided to select based on 'gina tingles. Once they commit themselves to this, they are stuck with it for the rest of their lives. At 30, desperation may prompt them into the relationship marketplace (from the sexual marketplace) and target a different set of men, but that doesn't mean they have reoriented their assessment of man based on pragmatic, modern factors. As a simple example, I'll reference a profile I posted from a vine-swinger in my earlier post ( How to Spot a Female Loser )






I can take you to a friend's house for dinner or a work event and know that you can hold your own socially without embarrassing me or getting me fired.





The key expression is "hold your own socially" (BTW, much of what a vine-swinger perceives as social dominance is influenced by factors men have no control over and include: height, race, facial features, aspects like stuttering, tone of voice, etc. - the standard collection of characteristics that influence Social Status; so learning how to talk a good game is often not enough). You'll note that many failed 30-something single women make a reference like this. What they are doing is highlighting the part of them that overreacts to a man losing a social interaction. Otherwise, no need to call this out. Most men won't "embarrass" you in public situations unless your idea of embarrassment is so widely defined as to mean that you get embarrassed when you're man doesn't always keep up with witty rejoinders or lead every conversation or win every exchange/argument. This is the hallmark of a vine-swinger.

Now a vine-swinger may marry a man that doesn't give them 'gina tingles. But they will still cringe if they see that man lose a social interaction. They will still be drawn to men with alpha traits and talk about their attraction to him publicly, often disguised as humor. They will read Harlequin romance novels often because in their mind, they still need their 'gina tingle fix. They have not stared down the demon which is their Animal Instinct. Any notion that they've grown up is just an illusion. This is why vine-swingers make terrible wives who wear down their husbands with criticism (often that he's "unmanly") and growing contempt. Once a vine-swinger, always a vine swinger. Vine-swingers will cheat and not feel a thing because in the 'law of the jungle' that they are unwittingly following, clinging to a man with higher social dominance or general dominance is a matter of survival, so they will find some idiotic way to rationalize it like "he wasn't paying me enough attention" or "it doesn't matter because me and the other guy formed a deep connection". Vine swingers will glorify their simple-minded impulses by saying "sometimes you just want to have great sex with a guy who makes your heart scream electric". In the end, it is prizing men for primal traits and never containing the animal instinct and focusing on what really matters.

Most average looking women (SMV 4-7) vine-swingers are left on the vines, never finding a man. Their standard of a man who holds frame all the time and wins every social interaction defines a man with an SMV so high they cannot possibly keep him.

In the end, most vine-swingers (who don't dupe a beta-male into a thankless and loveless marriage) end up in the wildnerness. Fitting for women who subconsciously assume they're still 'in the jungle'.